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John James 
Harris
post 1781 - 1866


John James 
Harris
, of Nightingale Lane (1814,24). He appears in the List of the Jury summoned for the Trial of James Watson etc for High Treason on 29 April 1817. Watchmaker (1817). Of Upper East Smithfield (1831). Of 8 Upper East Smithfield (1838). Of Upper East Smithfield (1840). Of 11 Upper East Smithfield 1840-2. Watch manufacturer (1841), Appears in Commercial Post Office London Directory of 1843 Harris John Jas. watch & clock mk. 11 Up. East Smithfield Watch Maker and Registrar of Births And Deaths (1851), Retired jeweller and watchmaker (1861). His shop was burgled. He and his daughter Susannah gave evidence at the Old Bailey on 17th August 1846. See: https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18460817-1453 This is reported in The Illustrated London News, Volume 9, 15 August 1846. Related? Poss.Will? Will of John Harris , Watch Case Maker of Clerkenwell , Middlesex 20 July 1849 PROB 11/2096 His wife was Rebecca! Some of his children as listed may be grandchildren. Pigot's London Commercial Directory 1822-3 has an entry under Watch and Clock makers: Harris, John Jas. 13, Nightingale Lane, East Smithfield. Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World By G. H. Baillie lists him: Harris John James. London (E. Smithfield), 1820; (Nightingale Lane), 1825-40. W. Niughtingale Lane is now St Thomas More St., E1. Watch maker, renting a house in Upper Nightingale Lane, Bishopsgate without. (1823), Watch manufacturer (1841) Almost certainly living "above the shop". upper East Smithfield is just north of St Katherine Docks and south of the Mint, running east/west between Nightingale Lane and Little Tower Hill. British History Online "Upper East Smithfield Charles Booth surveyed this area. East from Littie Tower Hill to Dock Street (P.O. Directory). Earliest mention: Lockie, 1810. Former name: "East Smithfield" (O. and M. 1677-Horwood, 1799). Hatton (1708) says it was so called from its being in the east part of London, but this street certainly derived its name from the district of East Smithfield in which it was situated, and was so called to distinguish it from Lower East Smithfield, nearer the river." of Hatton Gardens, London, England. Jeweller (1849). Watchmaker and registrar of births and deaths (1851). The Post Office Directory 1856, Directory of Commercial and Professional names has: Harris John James, watchma. & regr. 11 Up. East Smithfield. See: http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/html_units/1820s/t18230910-285.ht ml Old bailey Proceedin Sun Fire Office (insurance co.policy) : MS 11936/449/846602 16 July 1810 Contents: Insured: John James Harris, 19 Nightingale Lane, East Smithfield, watch maker Other property or occupiers: 18 and 20 Nightingale Lane (Haynes, brush maker; Haynes, butcher); 20 Martha Street, Commercial Road In 2008, a watch came up for sale advertised on a website: John James Harris, London, pair cased Verge with hack function, subsidiary seconds and named dial. Both original cases are silver with full hallmarks for London 1817. Near mint white enamel dial with combination of roman numerals and letters to spell the name 'JAMES HAY' showing only original light crazes and firing marks to the glaze and some isolated flaking around the hands arbour. Original glass with light surface marks. Original sprung brass dustcover. Nicely signed full plate fire gilt brass movement with narrow rounded balance cock with grotesque, decent diamond endstone in blued steel collar, flat steel 3-arm balance, brass Bosley regulator to engraved scale and round pillars. The movement is neatly signed; J.J. Harris, London A hacking function to start and stop the movement is fitted with a lever at the '4' position. This is a very early form of chronograph with no reset facility and an all or nothing action; stopping the chronograph stops the entire movement. This relatively rare complication found on verges would have been popular with Doctors (monitoring pulses) and with sporting Gentlemen. It would be sensible to assume the original owner was a Mr James Hay, as indicated on the dial. A very fine piece with some nice features. Key wind and set. Total size; 53mm diameter or 80mm to the very top of the bow. £545 ($1090) John James Harris is a listed maker known to be working from 1820 making this one of the earliest known examples of his work. Old Bailey proceedings: http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/html_units/1810s/t18110109-23.htm l Retired jeweller and watchmaker (1861). He may have been called as a juror. "High-treason: The trials at bar of Arthur Thistlewood, gent., James Watson, the elder, surgeon, Thomas Preston, cordwainer, and John Hooper, labourer, for high-treason, before the four judges, in the Court of King's Bench, Westminster, on Monday, June 9, 1817 (Google eBook)" ROYAL AND SUN ALLIANCE INSURANCE GROUP CLC/B/192/A ... 001/MS11936/462/881155 Insured: John James Harris, 19 Nightingale Lane, watchmaker Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 7.2, 25 May 2015), September 1846, trial of GEORGE FITZHERBERT (t18460921-1899). GEORGE FITZHERBERT, Theft > theft from a specified place, 21st September 1846. 1899. GEORGE FITZHERBERT was again indicted for stealing, at St. Botolph Without, Aldgate, 1 watch, value 8l.; and 1 chain, value 4l.; the goods of John James Harris, in his dwelling-house. MR. HORRY conducted the Prosecution. JOHN JAMES HARRIS . I am a watch-maker and jeweller, and live in Upper East Smithfield. On the 31st of July, a little after eight o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came to my shop, and said, "Mr. Harris, I want to purchase a handsome patent gold lever"ãa€”I brought him two, then a third, and seeing him a gentleman, I went and fetched another, with a gold guard-chain attached to itãa€”he was looking at them some time, and making observations to my daughter about which she would likeãa€”Miss Harding, who I knew very well, came into the shop and asked for a pair of gold earringsãa€”I turned round to attend to herãa€”the four watches laid on the glass-caseãa€”my daughter was standing between the watches and the prisonerãa€”about ten minutes after the prisoner was looking at the watches, a man named Fitzsymmonds, (who was transported last Sessions,) came in, and immediately squeezed by Miss Harding to get to the side of the prisoner, between her and the prisonerãa€”he said, "Mr. Harris, what do you charge for cleaning a three-quarter plate lever-watch?"ãa€”I said 4sãa€”he said, "I will bring it to be done;" and away he went out in a hurryãa€”the prisoner immediately followed him out of the shop, and my daughter hallooed out, "Father, there is a gold watch gone!"ãa€”the gold watch and guard were gone. Cross-examined. Q. When did you see him again? A. Three weeks ago tomorrow, at Marylebone-officeãa€”I had never seen him before he came into the shop-my house is in the parish of St. Botolph Without, Aldgateãa€”the watch was worth 8l., and the chain 4l. 4s. SUSAN HARRIS . I live with my father (the last witness.) On the 31st of July the prisoner came to the shop to see some watchesãa€”four were shown to himãa€”they laid on the glass-caseãa€”one had a gold chain attached to itãa€”he said he did not like a Geneva watch, he wished to have a patent leverãa€”he said he was recommended to my father, that his brother bought one at Mr. Dutton's, in Greek-street, and he wished to have one precisely the sameãa€”Miss Harding came in for some earringsãa€”the prisoner had the watch in his hand at that time playing with the chainãa€”while he was twisting the guard-chain round his fingers, Fitzsymmonds came in, and pressed very rudely past Miss Harding to get to the prisoner, who had his pocket-handkerchief in his right handãa€”I saw him put his left hand down behind him, as if handing something downãa€”I saw the watch in his left hand not a minute beforeãa€”Fitzsymmonds immediately went outãa€”the prisoner immediately said, "Well, Mr. Harris, I will call again in three weeks, I am going out of town," and immediately went out of the shopãa€”I directly missed the watchãa€”he had done all he could to attract my attention, and wished to know which watch I most admired and whether I did not find it very warmãa€”he said, "What is that watch in the window, will you be kind enough to hand me that?"ãa€”I said, "If you wait, Sir, my father will be at liberty, and he will show it to you"ãa€”my father was attending to Miss Harding at the timeãa€”he asked me which I admired mostãa€”I said, "You have come here to purchase one, surely you will take one to your own taste"ãa€”I did not give him an opinion. Cross-examined. Q. How was he dressed? A. He had a lighter neck-handkerchief, he wore spectacles, and kept taking them off now and thenãa€”I had never seen him before. JOHN FURLING . This signature to the examination, is Mr. Rawlinson's, the magistrate's handwritingãa€”(readãa€”"The prisoner says, I have nothing to say; these people against me never saw me before in my life.) GUILTY . Aged 26.ãa€” Transported for Ten Years. (There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

Born: Aldgate, London, , , England post 31st Mar 1782 Baptised: St Botolph without Aldgate, London, , , England Jun 1782
Died: London, , , England 10th Jul 1866 Buried:
Family:
Harris

Ancestors
[ Patrilineage | Matrilineage | Earliest Ancestors | Force | Force2 | Set Relationship | Relationship | Options ]

1.
John James 
Harris
 (
Saunders
,
Alford
,
Boobbyer
) post 1781 - 1866		2.
John 
Harris
 (
Skinner
) ante 1760 - post 1808
3.
Susannah 
Skinner
 (
Harris
) + post 1789

Siblings


1.
Elizabeth Landgridge 
Harris
 * 1780
2.
Susanna Sarah 
Harris
 * 1784
3.
Edward 
Harris
 * 1785
4.
Sarah 
Harris
 * 1787
5.
Elizabeth Ann 
Harris
 * 1788
6.
William Thomas 
Harris
 * 1789
7.
Mary Ann 
Harris
 * 1792

Spouses



1. St Botolph, Aldgate, London, , , England banns 7th May 1807
Edna 
Saunders
 (
Harris
) 1781 - 1814

2. Lambeth, London, , , England banns 2nd Dec 1814
Sarah 
Alford
 (
Harris
) 1796 - 1840

3. London, , , England 1841
Elizabeth 
Boobbyer
 (
Harris
) 1788 - post 1861

Descendants
[ Options ]

a.
Edna 
Saunders
 (
Harris
) 1781 - 1814
1.
John James 
Harris
 1808 - 1833
2.
Henry Cornelius 
Harris
 1810 - 1813
3.
Josiah Thomas 
Harris
 1812 - 1814
b.
Sarah 
Alford
 (
Harris
) 1796 - 1840
4.
Henry Alfred 
Harris
 1816 - 1838
5.
William Stodhart 
Harris
 1818 - 1843
6.
George Charles 
Harris
 1821 - 1824
7.
Josiah 
Harris
 (
Stevens
,
Day
) ante 1824 - 1915
7a.
Lucretia 
Stevens
 (
Harris
) c. 1822 - ante 1861
7.1.
John James 
Harris
 (
Clarke
) 1845 - post 1891
7.2.
Josiah David 
Harris
 1846 - post 1861
7.3.
Harry Alford 
Harris
 1848 - 1852
7.4.
Lucretia Sarah 
Harris
 (
Coxhead
,
Buer
) 1850 - post 1920
7.4a.
William 
Coxhead
 (
Harris
) 1831 - 1877
7.4.1.
Lilian Gertrude 
Coxhead
 1876 - 1951
7.4.2.
Beatrice Lucy 
Coxhead
 (
Smith
) 1878 - post 1904
7b.
Mary V. 
Day
 (
Purves
,
Harris
) 1845 - post 1920
7.5.
Thomas B. 
Harris
 1867 - post 1920
8.
Sarah 
Harris
 1825 - post 1841
9.
Susannah 
Harris
 (
Clarke
) 1828 - post 1891
9a.
John 
Clarke
 (
Harris
) 1825 - ante 1870
9.1.
John Alford (Alf) 
Clarke
 (
Christy
) 1850 - 1922
9.1a.
Sophia Louisa England 
Christy
 (
Clarke
) 1848 - 1920
9.1.1.
John (Jack) William Christy 
Christy-Clarke
  formerly Clarke (
Grout
) 1871 - 1952
9.1.1a.
Florence Ann 
Grout
 (
Christy-Clarke
) 1871 - 1965
9.1.1.1.
Florence (Florrie) Lilian M. 
Christy-Clarke
 (
Friend
) 1896 - post 1939
9.1.1.1a.
Oscar Franklyn 
Friend
 (
Christy-Clarke
) 1895 - 1968
9.1.1.1.1.
hidden
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Peter Maurice Wilma 
Fairbairns
 (
hidden
) 1921 - 1996
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Lilian Sophia 
Clarke
 (
Taylor
) 1872 - 1959
9.1.2a.
John Cameron 
Taylor
 (
Clarke
) 1866 - 1950
9.1.2.1.
John Cameron Clarke 
Taylor
 (
Honour
) 1895 - 1979
9.1.2.1a.
Gladys Kate 
Honour
 (
Taylor
) 1892 - post 1939
9.1.2.1.1.
Joan Marguerite 
Taylor
 (
Minard
) 1921 - 1987
9.1.2.1.1a.
Harold Robert George 
Minard
 (
Taylor
) 1918 - 2006
9.1.2.1.1.1.
hidden
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David John 
Minard
 1946 - 2015
9.1.2.1.1.3.
hidden
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hidden
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hidden
9.1.2.2.
Lilian Ethel 
Taylor
 (
Downe
) 1897 - post 1920
9.1.2.2a.
Ebeneezer 
Downe
 (
Taylor
) + post 1915
9.1.2.2.1.
Verna 
Downe
 (
Leonard-Jones
)
9.1.2.2.2.
Derek 
Downe
9.1.2.3.
Herbert (Bertie) Charles 
Taylor
 (
?
) 1897 - post 1939
9.1.2.4.
William Alford 
Taylor
 1901 - post 1921
9.1.2.5.
Kenneth Emerson 
Taylor
 (
Elsden
) 1904 - post 1943
9.1.2.5a.
Minnie Frances 
Elsden
 (
Taylor
) 1904 - post 1943
9.1.2.5.1.
hidden
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William J.C. 
Taylor
 * 1943
9.1.2.6.
Louis P. 
Taylor
 1909 - post 1939
9.1.3.
Ethel Marian 
Clarke
 (
Giddings
) 1874 - 1955
9.1.3a.
Rev. Albert Fordham 
Giddings
 (
Clarke
) 1869 - 1936
9.1.3.1.
Mary Christina 
Giddings
 (
Barnett
) 1902 - 1956
9.1.3.1a.
Charles Oldfield (Oldfield) 
Barnett
 (
Giddings
) 1905 - 1988
9.1.3.1.1.
Avril Mary 
Barnett
 (
Makhlouf
) 1931 - 2007
9.1.3.1.1a.
Gabriel Michel 
Makhlouf
 (
Barnett
) 1929 - 2021
9.1.3.1.1.1.
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Christopher Charles Oldfield 
Barnett
 (
hidden
) 1933 - 1994
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hidden
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Stephanie Christina 
Barnett
 1939 - 1947
9.1.3.2.
Vera Almira 
Giddings
 (
Pitt
) 1906 - 1962
9.1.3.2a.
Robert (Bob) Godson 
Pitt
 (
Giddings
) 1906 - 1949
9.1.3.2.1.
Julie Almira 
Giddings-Pitt
 (
Garwood Gowers
) 1938 - 2015
9.1.3.2.1a.
Julian Cyril William 
Garwood Gowers
 (
Giddings-Pitt
) 1937 - 2015
9.1.3.2.1.1.
Robert Francis 
Giddings-Pitt-Garwood-Gowers
 1960 - 1960
9.1.3.2.1.2.
Ilona Almira Jane 
Giddings-Pitt-Garwood-Gowers
 (
hidden
) 1961 - 2020
9.1.3.2.1.2a.
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Robert Piers 
Giddings-Pitt-Garwood-Gowers
 (
hidden
,
hidden
) 1966 - 2013
9.1.3.2.1.4a.
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Alec Henry Fordham 
Giddings
 (
Nock
,
Baldwin
) 1910 - 1981
9.1.3.4.
Sqn.Ldr. Herbert Selwyn (Selwyn) 
Giddings
 (
Price
) 1914 - 1943
9.1.3.4a.
Sylvia Wynn 
Price
 (
Giddings
,
Tennant
) 1910 - 2000
9.1.3.4.1.
hidden
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Peter IV Bertold 
Gemmingen von Massenbach
 (
hidden
,
Bronisch
,
Wesson
,
hidden
,
hidden
) 1936 - 1999
9.1.3.4.1.1.
Camilla Gabriella Wallis 
Gemmingen von Massenbach
 (
hidden
,
hidden
) * 1961
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Michael James 
Prendergast
 (
hidden
,
hidden
) 1942 - 2022
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Herbert (Bertie) Charles 
Clarke
 (
Gregory
) 1878 - 1956
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Lillian Constance 
Gregory
 (
Clarke
) 1878 - post 1921
9.1.4.1.
Lionel Herbert Gregory 
Clarke
 (
Callam
) 1911 - 1992
9.1.4.1a.
Marjorie (Jo) Annie 
Callam
 (
Clarke
) 1909 - post 1984
9.1.4.1.1.
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Margaret A. 
Clarke
 * 1942
9.1.4.1.3.
Brian 
Clarke
 c. 1942 - c. 1958
9.1.4.2.
Brian 
Clarke
 * 1912
9.1.5.
Florence Maud 
Clarke
 (
Wood
) ante 1881 - post 1911
9.2.
Frederic Royle 
Clarke
 (
?
,
Pogson
) 1852 - 1904
9.2a.
Maria 
Pogson
 (
Clarke
) 1851 - post 1911
9.2.1.
Ann 
Clarke
 1875 - post 1881
9.2.2.
Ellen Louise 
Clarke
 1875 - post 1891
9.2.3.
Alice M. 
Clarke
 1876 - post 1891
9.2.4.
Ada Royle 
Clarke
 1877 - post 1911
9.2.5.
Amy 
Clarke
 1877 - post 1901
9.2.6.
Frederick H. 
Clarke
 1879 - post 1911
9.2.7.
U/? 
Clarke
 * 1881
9.2.8.
Archibald Leon 
Clarke
 1885 - post 1891
9.2.9.
Arthur 
Clarke
 1885 - post 1901
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Percival A. 
Clarke
 1888 - post 1891
9.2.11.
Stanley Edgar 
Clarke
 1890 - post 1911
9.2.12.
Sydney 
Clarke
 1891 - post 1901
9.3.
Henry (Harry) Harris 
Clarke
 1854 - post 1917
9.4.
Arthur N./W. 
Clarke
 1858 - post 1871
9.5.
Susannah Elizabeth Jane 
Clarke
 (
Christy
) 1859 - 1916
9.5a.
William 
Christy
 (
Clarke
) 1851 - 1904
9.5.1.
William Arthur C. 
Christy
 1880 - 1881
9.5.2.
Alice Lillian (Lilian) 
Christy
 (
Robotham
) 1888 - 1954
9.5.2a.
Edward Burton 
Robotham
 (
Christy
) 1893 - 1937
9.5.2.1.
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William James 
Christy
 1893 - 1931
9.6.
Alice Matilda 
Clarke
 (
Harris
) 1861 - post 1891
10.
George 
Harris
 1830 - 1831
11.
Mary Ann 
Harris
 1832 - post 1851
12.
John James 
Harris
 1834 - post 1861
13.
Henry George 
Harris
 1837 - post 1851
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post 31st Mar 1782Born (birth) London, England
Jun 1782Baptised (baptism) London, England
7th May 1807Married
Edna 
Saunders
 (
Harris
) 1781 - 1814
(marriage) London, England
2nd Dec 1814Married
Sarah 
Alford
 (
Harris
) 1796 - 1840
(marriage) London, England
1841Married
Elizabeth 
Boobbyer
 (
Harris
) 1788 - post 1861 (marriage) London, England
1841Head of household in 1841 census (census) London, England
31st Mar 1851Head of household in 1851 census (census) London, England
1861Head of household in 1861 census (census) London, England
c. 1866Made a will (will)
10th Jul 1866Died (death) London, England
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